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will socialist china invade hong kong
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Byker
2019-07-29 21:29:55 UTC
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It's inevitable. To let Hong Kong go would
be just too much "face" for Beijing to lose:


Beijing condemns "horrendous" events

Boob Milby Jr.
2019-07-29 22:54:28 UTC
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Beijing
Why do trolling US neo-Nazis insist that China is socialist?
Hasn't China removed any reference to Marx in their constitution long ago?
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Boob Milby Jr.
2019-07-29 22:57:09 UTC
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Why do trolling US neo-Nazis insist that China is socialist?
Haven't China removed any reference to Marx in their constitution long
ago?
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Byker
2019-07-30 00:43:54 UTC
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Post by Boob Milby Jr.
Why do trolling US neo-Nazis insist that China is socialist?
Haven't China removed any reference to Marx in their constitution long
ago?
Nope...
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No regrets: Xi says Marxism still ‘totally correct’ for China

Reuters
MAY 4 2018 4:06 AM EDT

Since coming to power in 2012, Xi, widely seen as the most powerful Chinese
leader since Mao Zedong, has said the party must not forget its socialist
roots as it works to attain the “great rejuvenation of the Chinese nation”.
Xi’s speech came near the end of a week-long propaganda blitz by state
media, with chat shows saying “Marx was Right” and cartoons of his wild
youth aiming to show his theories remain relevant to modern China and the
next generation.

The decision of China’s ruling Communist Party to stick with the political
theories of Karl Marx remains “totally correct”, President Xi Jinping said
ahead of the 200th anniversary of the German philosopher’s birth on
Saturday.

Since coming to power in 2012, Xi, widely seen as the most powerful Chinese
leader since Mao Zedong, has said the party must not forget its socialist
roots as it works to attain the “great rejuvenation of the Chinese nation”.

At the Great Hall of the People in Beijing on Friday, Xi said, “Writing
Marxism onto the flag of the Chinese Communist Party was totally correct...
Unceasingly promoting the sinification and modernization of Marxism is
totally correct.“

Xi also instructed all party members to adopt the reading of Marxist works
and the understanding of Marxist theories as a “way of life” and a
“spiritual pursuit”.

Xi’s speech came near the end of a week-long propaganda blitz by state
media, with chat shows saying “Marx was Right” and cartoons of his wild
youth aiming to show his theories remain relevant to modern China and the
next generation.

Today, China, the largest self-identified socialist country, outwardly
displays all the trappings of a modern capitalist society, from rampant
consumption to a massive gap between the urban elite and rural poor.

The apparent contradiction between party rhetoric and appearance has
prompted many analysts to suggest the party is no longer really motivated by
Marxism but puts practical and economic concerns above all else.

However, Xi has wholeheartedly embraced the party’s founding ideology and
re-introduced study sessions that hark back to the Mao era, as he stresses
the need for China to be confident in its revolutionary history and
political system.

“Even if it offends our post-communist conventional wisdom, I think we have
to begin accepting the notion that Xi Jinping actually believes in Marx and
Marxism,” said Jude Blanchette, head of China practice for Crumpton Group, a
Washington-based advisory firm.

The emphasis on Marx also helps widen the ideological gulf with Western
capitalist democracies in the wake of such events as the 2008 global
financial crisis and the election of U.S. President Donald Trump, Blanchette
said.

“By embracing Marx even tighter, the party is contrasting itself with the
‘failing’ alternative political-economic model of the United States,” he
added.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/04/no-regrets-xi-says-marxism-still-totally-correct-for-china.html
Andrew Swallow
2019-07-30 06:48:10 UTC
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Post by Byker
Post by Boob Milby Jr.
Why do trolling US neo-Nazis insist that China is socialist?
Haven't China removed any reference to Marx in their constitution long
ago?
Nope...
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No regrets: Xi says Marxism still ‘totally correct’ for China
Reuters
MAY 4 2018  4:06 AM EDT
Since coming to power in 2012, Xi, widely seen as the most powerful Chinese
leader since Mao Zedong, has said the party must not forget its socialist
roots as it works to attain the “great rejuvenation of the Chinese nation”.
Xi’s speech came near the end of a week-long propaganda blitz by state
media, with chat shows saying “Marx was Right” and cartoons of his wild
youth aiming to show his theories remain relevant to modern China and the
next generation.
Communism gives enormous power to the people at the centre. Instead of
obeying the dictatorship of the proletariat the rulers corruptly misuse
their feudal powers to dictate to the proletariat.

In capitalism the customer is king. If the company does not supply the
goods and services the customers want they spend their money elsewhere.
Xi probably thinks he is emperor and can overrule kings.

IMHO by following the way of Marx and Mao Xi will cause China to
re-enact the fall of Venezuela. Watch out for the insertion of
government yes men into companies who then take over. When Chinese and
Western housewives change course the companies will fail to follow.

One thing to watch out for Mao was a guerilla fighter so the Chinese
military will be prioritised all the way down.
Jim Hoft
2019-07-30 20:46:51 UTC
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Post by Andrew Swallow
Post by Byker
Post by Boob Milby Jr.
Why do trolling US neo-Nazis insist that China is socialist?
Haven't China removed any reference to Marx in their constitution long
ago?
Nope...
- Look at China's current constitution. Political speeches given by self
made dictators for life aren't necessarily based on constitutions.
Post by Andrew Swallow
Post by Byker
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No regrets: Xi says Marxism still ‘totally correct’ for China
Reuters MAY 4 2018  4:06 AM EDT
Since coming to power in 2012, Xi, widely seen as the most powerful
Chinese leader since Mao Zedong, has said the party must not forget its
socialist roots as it works to attain the “great rejuvenation of the
Chinese nation”.
- Much too late for that.
Post by Andrew Swallow
Post by Byker
Xi’s speech came near the end of a week-long propaganda blitz by state
media, with chat shows saying “Marx was Right” and cartoons of his wild
youth aiming to show his theories remain relevant to modern China and
the next generation.
- Political slogans can assert many things. But China today is proving
Marx right in regards to deep contradictions within capitalism both in
China and the rest of the world.
Post by Andrew Swallow
Communism gives enormous power to the people at the centre.
- At the centre? Can you define the centre?
Post by Andrew Swallow
Instead of
obeying the dictatorship of the proletariat the rulers corruptly misuse
their feudal powers to dictate to the proletariat.
- Rulers tend to do such things in all political systems.
Have you so short memories that you have forgotten Franco and Pinochet?
Post by Andrew Swallow
In capitalism the customer is king. If the company does not supply the
goods and services the customers want they spend their money elsewhere.
- Capitalists are actually quite aware of that hiccup in the system and
implement practical measures which keep governments quiet and consumers
ignorant as good as goes.
Post by Andrew Swallow
Xi probably thinks he is emperor and can overrule kings.
IMHO by following the way of Marx
- what is the way of Marx?
Post by Andrew Swallow
and Mao
- what had Mao to do with Marx?
Post by Andrew Swallow
Xi will cause China to re-enact the fall of Venezuela.
- apples just like oranges are fruits with a round shapes
Post by Andrew Swallow
One thing to watch out for Mao was
- but is no more.
Byker
2019-07-30 23:32:40 UTC
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Post by Byker
Post by Boob Milby Jr.
Why do trolling US neo-Nazis insist that China is socialist?
Haven't China removed any reference to Marx in their constitution long
ago?
Nope...
- Look at China's current constitution. Political speeches given by self
made dictators for life aren't necessarily based on constitutions.

Meanwhile, in Taiwan:

George
2019-07-31 00:48:01 UTC
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On Tue, 30 Jul 2019 18:32:40 -0500
Post by Jim Hoft
Post by Byker
Post by Boob Milby Jr.
Why do trolling US neo-Nazis insist that China is socialist?
Haven't China removed any reference to Marx in their constitution
long ago?
Nope...
- Look at China's current constitution. Political speeches given by
self made dictators for life aren't necessarily based on
constitutions.
Meanwhile, in Taiwan: http://youtu.be/Mfcf_g3zoxg
China is fully on at producing stuff for the world.
The world stops buying China goes broke and their people starve


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Byker
2019-07-31 01:16:55 UTC
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Post by George
China is fully on at producing stuff for the world.
The world stops buying China goes broke and their people starve
And so begins the revolution:






David E. Powell
2019-07-30 21:54:33 UTC
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Post by Andrew Swallow
Post by Byker
Post by Boob Milby Jr.
Why do trolling US neo-Nazis insist that China is socialist?
Haven't China removed any reference to Marx in their constitution long
ago?
Nope...
----------------------
No regrets: Xi says Marxism still ‘totally correct’ for China
Reuters
MAY 4 2018  4:06 AM EDT
Since coming to power in 2012, Xi, widely seen as the most powerful Chinese
leader since Mao Zedong, has said the party must not forget its socialist
roots as it works to attain the “great rejuvenation of the Chinese nation”.
Xi’s speech came near the end of a week-long propaganda blitz by state
media, with chat shows saying “Marx was Right” and cartoons of his wild
youth aiming to show his theories remain relevant to modern China and the
next generation.
Communism gives enormous power to the people at the centre. Instead of
obeying the dictatorship of the proletariat the rulers corruptly misuse
their feudal powers to dictate to the proletariat.
In capitalism the customer is king. If the company does not supply the
goods and services the customers want they spend their money elsewhere.
Xi probably thinks he is emperor and can overrule kings.
IMHO by following the way of Marx and Mao Xi will cause China to
re-enact the fall of Venezuela. Watch out for the insertion of
government yes men into companies who then take over. When Chinese and
Western housewives change course the companies will fail to follow.
One thing to watch out for Mao was a guerilla fighter so the Chinese
military will be prioritised all the way down.
China has found a sneaky way to get around the problems of a Communist Economy. Sell goods to Capitalist economies. Maintaining the balance of keeping that going and expanding their power at home and abroad has been the tricky part, but they have done quite well over 20, 30 or 40 years.
Incubus
2019-07-31 07:49:39 UTC
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Post by Andrew Swallow
Post by Byker
Post by Boob Milby Jr.
Why do trolling US neo-Nazis insist that China is socialist?
Haven't China removed any reference to Marx in their constitution long
ago?
Nope...
----------------------
No regrets: Xi says Marxism still ‘totally correct’ for China
Reuters
MAY 4 2018  4:06 AM EDT
Since coming to power in 2012, Xi, widely seen as the most powerful Chinese
leader since Mao Zedong, has said the party must not forget its socialist
roots as it works to attain the “great rejuvenation of the Chinese nation”.
Xi’s speech came near the end of a week-long propaganda blitz by state
media, with chat shows saying “Marx was Right” and cartoons of his wild
youth aiming to show his theories remain relevant to modern China and the
next generation.
Communism gives enormous power to the people at the centre. Instead of
obeying the dictatorship of the proletariat the rulers corruptly misuse
their feudal powers to dictate to the proletariat.
In capitalism the customer is king. If the company does not supply the
goods and services the customers want they spend their money elsewhere.
That only works when there is a healthy market without monopolies. The
people then rely upon the state to intervene. Hopefully, the state has
not been bought off...
Andrew Swallow
2019-07-31 08:22:02 UTC
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Post by Byker
Post by Boob Milby Jr.
Why do trolling US neo-Nazis insist that China is socialist?
Haven't China removed any reference to Marx in their constitution long
ago?
Nope...
----------------------
No regrets: Xi says Marxism still ‘totally correct’ for China
Reuters
MAY 4 2018  4:06 AM EDT
Since coming to power in 2012, Xi, widely seen as the most powerful Chinese
leader since Mao Zedong, has said the party must not forget its socialist
roots as it works to attain the “great rejuvenation of the Chinese nation”.
Xi’s speech came near the end of a week-long propaganda blitz by state
media, with chat shows saying “Marx was Right” and cartoons of his wild
youth aiming to show his theories remain relevant to modern China and the
next generation.
Communism gives enormous power to the people at the centre. Instead of
obeying the dictatorship of the proletariat the rulers corruptly
misuse their feudal powers to dictate to the proletariat.
In capitalism the customer is king. If the company does not supply the
goods and services the customers want they spend their money elsewhere.
That only works when there is a healthy market without monopolies.  The
people then rely upon the state to intervene.  Hopefully, the state has
not been bought off...
That is the state acting as a policeman. A job it can do.

When the government takes over all the business then it becomes the
monopoly. Evil squared as acting as a manufacturer is a job it cannot do.
Byker
2019-07-31 15:56:56 UTC
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Post by Andrew Swallow
That is the state acting as a policeman. A job it can do.
Which is the Brave New World the offspring of GenXers and Millennials will
inherit:


Enjoy your freedoms while they still exist, for once they are gone,
subsequent generations, having never experienced anything different, will
accept it as perfectly normal: https://tinyurl.com/y2ssykgq

China today, America tomorrow. Would I want to trade places with a
20-year-old in this day and age? Not on your life...
Siri Cruise
2019-07-31 12:01:52 UTC
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In article <qhrh6j$2er$***@dont-email.me>, Incubus <***@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hong Kong is already part of PRC. China invading Hong Kong would be like the US
invading Maine.
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Andrew Swallow
2019-07-31 12:26:08 UTC
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Post by Siri Cruise
Hong Kong is already part of PRC. China invading Hong Kong would be like the US
invading Maine.
It would be more like the USA invading Puerto Rico. Hong Kong is both
part of PRC and separate.
abelard
2019-07-30 10:59:33 UTC
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Post by Byker
Post by Boob Milby Jr.
Why do trolling US neo-Nazis insist that China is socialist?
Haven't China removed any reference to Marx in their constitution long
ago?
yeah and dumb socialists keep pretending that national socialism
isn't real(tm) socialism...and the fascist socialism is real(tm)
socialism

down the memory hole socialist newspeak rools ok
Post by Byker
Nope...
----------------------
No regrets: Xi says Marxism still ‘totally correct’ for China
Reuters
MAY 4 2018 4:06 AM EDT
Since coming to power in 2012, Xi, widely seen as the most powerful Chinese
leader since Mao Zedong, has said the party must not forget its socialist
roots as it works to attain the “great rejuvenation of the Chinese nation”.
Xi’s speech came near the end of a week-long propaganda blitz by state
media, with chat shows saying “Marx was Right” and cartoons of his wild
youth aiming to show his theories remain relevant to modern China and the
next generation.
The decision of China’s ruling Communist Party to stick with the political
theories of Karl Marx remains “totally correct”, President Xi Jinping said
ahead of the 200th anniversary of the German philosopher’s birth on
Saturday.
Since coming to power in 2012, Xi, widely seen as the most powerful Chinese
leader since Mao Zedong, has said the party must not forget its socialist
roots as it works to attain the “great rejuvenation of the Chinese nation”.
that's all very well, but that isn't real(tm) socialism either
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Boob Milby Jr.
2019-07-29 22:59:29 UTC
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Why do trolling US neo-Nazis insist that China is socialist?
Haven't China removed any reference to Marx in their constitution long
ago?
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Byker
2019-07-30 03:09:40 UTC
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It's inevitable. To let Hong Kong go would
http://youtu.be/_dbKN-5HUPo
Beijing condemns "horrendous" events
http://youtu.be/uIvLLd9Zbo8
Byker, maybe the US would have become a socialist nation by then.

The Millennials don't know any better...
Byker
2019-07-31 17:16:17 UTC
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Hong Kong belongs to China. Period. There is nothing the people of Hong
Kong can do, neither can the British or the Americans. They can shout,
acream and bring down the Hong Kong Legislature. The Great Wall and the
Chinese people will continue and develop for another 500 years
Providing they're not turned into radioactive glass first.

Would China risk throwing away 5,000 years of civilization over specks in
the South China Sea? I doubt it. According to Wikipedia, there are 145
cities in China that have over 1 million people in the urban area (not
including the metropolitan areas): http://tinyurl.com/jtxtj7m

If they want to nuke American cities, we can always return the favor.

Here's some reading you might find interesting:
http://www.nukestrat.com/china/Book-173-196.pdf

"The United States has in excess of 2,000 warheads capable of hitting China
on short notice. A small percentage of the U.S. arsenal could be targeted
against all Chinese strategic nuclear systems, Command and Control (C2)
sites and major conventional military assets. Although not thought to be
part of the current U.S. war plans, an even smaller percentage of the U.S.
strategic nuclear arsenal could be targeted against Chinese cities to cause
massive civilian and industrial damage."

"China deploys an estimated 20 ICBMs capable of targeting U.S. cities."

It's customary to target 2 nukes on each target. If the Chinese ICBMs
are not Mirvs then they will be hitting 10 targets. Meanwhile, the US
will be hitting 1000 targets. Not a good return on the Chinese
investments...
David E. Powell
2019-08-01 15:36:20 UTC
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Chinese Government releases video of troops training to shoot protestors.

Armored vehicles with autocannon are included in the demonstration:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/chinas-army-just-released-a-video-showing-soldiers-practicing-shooting-protesters/ar-AAFbaSN?ocid=spartanntp

<https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/chinas-army-just-released-a-video-showing-soldiers-practicing-shooting-protesters/ar-AAFbaSN?ocid=spartanntp>

Meanwhile:

https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2019/07/29/hong-kong-protesters-embrace-american-flag-fight-freedom/?fbclid=IwAR3bylU3WgKIMgbnNDBlprM4iCJsys82oalQzFm8qnGfGJZsYSBA0IdsxBU

<https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2019/07/29/hong-kong-protesters-embrace-american-flag-fight-freedom/?fbclid=IwAR3bylU3WgKIMgbnNDBlprM4iCJsys82oalQzFm8qnGfGJZsYSBA0IdsxBU>

Scope the sign: "We need the 2nd. Amendment."
Byker
2019-08-01 18:17:02 UTC
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Post by David E. Powell
Chinese Government releases video of troops training to shoot protestors.
Thanks for the warning, Xi:


Everyone in the West can hardly wait to see the carnage on CNN, BBC, and all
the other cable news outlets.

Hopefully someday this will be the last thing Xi ever sees:

https://tinyurl.com/yxtlk8zp

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