Russian Hacks Grab "Secret" Govt Dox - How Safe is YOUR "Cloud Storage" ?

[Leper]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-13029089/Notorious-Russia-gang-claims-stole-classified-secret-documents-intelligence-agencies-FBI-warns-China-hackers-preparing-wreak-havoc-America.html
Notorious Russia gang claims it stole 'classified and top
secret documents' from US intelligence agencies - as FBI
warns China hackers are preparing to 'wreak havoc' in America
Ransomware group ALPHV stole top-secret FBI and U.S.
intelligence documents
FBI director Christopher Wray warns PRC hackers will
take over America
. . .
   Yep - they can get EVERYTHING. "Secret" stuff,
   banks, infrastructure ... we made it SO easy
   for sake of convenience.
   Oh ... if they know what's in those 'secret'
   dox then it means they weren't even encrypted.
   What's up with that ? Oh, yea ... "trust your
   provider to thoroughly encrypt your data" ...
   I always pre-encrypted anything that was being
   stored "in the cloud". Never spent a single
   millisecond as plain text. Apparently yer govt
   and vital services can't be bothered ......
   Apologize for excess groups for Linux people,
   but the same warnings apply.

Of all the «Shit Hits The Fan scenarios» this is one of, if not the
short term most probable...
Chasseur

   Enemy govts work through "criminal" proxies for
   deniability reasons. Many of the proxies may not
   even know of the state connections, indeed the
   thrill of crime likely boosts their performance.
   What we see today is mostly just 'probing', experiments,
   looking for weaknesses, victims, new methods. This can do
   a lot of damage, but should things deteriorate to more
   real cyberwar the damages would be a thousand times worse.
   1st-world is 1st-world because everything is efficient,
   smoothly integrated at every scale. Alas that sort of
   of interdependency is fairly easy to sabotage. Going
   after just the banking systems would do it, or the
   energy or communications infrastructure. One vital
   brick crumbles and the whole empire tumbles down.
   And forget "we could fix it soon enough" ... some of
   these systems hold up SO much that there'd be nothing
   left worth fixing in a matter of weeks. The fuel
   runs out, the food runs out, the lights stay off,
   it goes Mad Max real quick.
   Ironically, 3rd/4th would would barely notice anything
   had happened. Afghan goatherds might notice fewer
   people coming around to annoy them.
   THAT the little hacks COULD get so deeply inside our
   supposedly "safe" systems just (again) demonstrates
   the level of vulnerability which exists.
   I doubt we will ever hear much about the actual methods
   and tactics involved - top secret stuff no doubt.

I concur.
And to agravate matters, a new dragon has or will soon enter the
cyberspace, namely artificial intelligence. Up until more or less now,
hacking has been personel intensive, probably in the thousands, wether
they are tethered to hostile govs or not. AI will in all likelyhood
change all of that. AI acts and learns. It will become more and more
efficient and quite forseeably, much less personel dependent.
Furthermore, it will be relentless, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year.
Just imagine a coordinated simultaneous AI controlled cyberspace attack
on utilities (water, gas, electricity, etc.) transport (our computerized
private and public vehicles), data (finance, medical, gov and private
administration, military, etc.). It is predictable that such an attack
would be more damaging than a powerful EMP event, not to mention almost
ridiculously inexpensive.
In my view, it is not a question of IF but a question of WHEN.
Considering the disruptive potential of such an AI attack, I am pretty
sure that the likes of Vlad, Xi, Kim and their groupies are already on
it. Caveat emptor.
Chasseur

Could it be that such releases are by our own government to ramp up
Patriotic fears and to encourage enlistments/war profiteering? Have you
noted how many military commanding officers have been canned and yet
reassigned? We may have to add our name to the list of our enemies.
We have several good examples right in this NG!

[68g.1499]

Post by Leper

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-13029089/Notorious-Russia-gang-claims-stole-classified-secret-documents-intelligence-agencies-FBI-warns-China-hackers-preparing-wreak-havoc-America.html
Notorious Russia gang claims it stole 'classified and top
secret documents' from US intelligence agencies - as FBI
warns China hackers are preparing to 'wreak havoc' in America
Ransomware group ALPHV stole top-secret FBI and U.S.
intelligence documents
FBI director Christopher Wray warns PRC hackers will
take over America
. . .
   Yep - they can get EVERYTHING. "Secret" stuff,
   banks, infrastructure ... we made it SO easy
   for sake of convenience.
   Oh ... if they know what's in those 'secret'
   dox then it means they weren't even encrypted.
   What's up with that ? Oh, yea ... "trust your
   provider to thoroughly encrypt your data" ...
   I always pre-encrypted anything that was being
   stored "in the cloud". Never spent a single
   millisecond as plain text. Apparently yer govt
   and vital services can't be bothered ......
   Apologize for excess groups for Linux people,
   but the same warnings apply.

Of all the «Shit Hits The Fan scenarios» this is one of, if not the
short term most probable...
Chasseur

   Enemy govts work through "criminal" proxies for
   deniability reasons. Many of the proxies may not
   even know of the state connections, indeed the
   thrill of crime likely boosts their performance.
   What we see today is mostly just 'probing', experiments,
   looking for weaknesses, victims, new methods. This can do
   a lot of damage, but should things deteriorate to more
   real cyberwar the damages would be a thousand times worse.
   1st-world is 1st-world because everything is efficient,
   smoothly integrated at every scale. Alas that sort of
   of interdependency is fairly easy to sabotage. Going
   after just the banking systems would do it, or the
   energy or communications infrastructure. One vital
   brick crumbles and the whole empire tumbles down.
   And forget "we could fix it soon enough" ... some of
   these systems hold up SO much that there'd be nothing
   left worth fixing in a matter of weeks. The fuel
   runs out, the food runs out, the lights stay off,
   it goes Mad Max real quick.
   Ironically, 3rd/4th would would barely notice anything
   had happened. Afghan goatherds might notice fewer
   people coming around to annoy them.
   THAT the little hacks COULD get so deeply inside our
   supposedly "safe" systems just (again) demonstrates
   the level of vulnerability which exists.
   I doubt we will ever hear much about the actual methods
   and tactics involved - top secret stuff no doubt.

I concur.
And to agravate matters, a new dragon has or will soon enter the
cyberspace, namely artificial intelligence. Up until more or less now,
hacking has been personel intensive, probably in the thousands, wether
they are tethered to hostile govs or not. AI will in all likelyhood
change all of that. AI acts and learns. It will become more and more
efficient and quite forseeably, much less personel dependent.
Furthermore, it will be relentless, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year.
Just imagine a coordinated simultaneous AI controlled cyberspace
attack on utilities (water, gas, electricity, etc.) transport (our
computerized private and public vehicles), data (finance, medical, gov
and private administration, military, etc.). It is predictable that
such an attack would be more damaging than a powerful EMP event, not
to mention almost ridiculously inexpensive.
In my view, it is not a question of IF but a question of WHEN.
Considering the disruptive potential of such an AI attack, I am pretty
sure that the likes of Vlad, Xi, Kim and their groupies are already on
it. Caveat emptor.
Chasseur

Could it be that such releases are by our own government to ramp up
Patriotic fears and to encourage enlistments/war profiteering? Have you
noted how many military commanding officers have been canned and yet
reassigned? We may have to add our name to the list of our enemies.
We have several good examples right in this NG!

I don't think this was fake because it mentioned too many
big companies that got ripped off. M$ wants a sterling rep
(undeserved, but it WANTS that illusion) so I don't think
it'd go along with a convoluted scheme like you suggested.

And these groups, state proxies or not - ARE out there and
busy little beavers.

[Leper]

Post by Leper

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-13029089/Notorious-Russia-gang-claims-stole-classified-secret-documents-intelligence-agencies-FBI-warns-China-hackers-preparing-wreak-havoc-America.html
Notorious Russia gang claims it stole 'classified and top
secret documents' from US intelligence agencies - as FBI
warns China hackers are preparing to 'wreak havoc' in America
Ransomware group ALPHV stole top-secret FBI and U.S.
intelligence documents
FBI director Christopher Wray warns PRC hackers will
take over America
. . .
   Yep - they can get EVERYTHING. "Secret" stuff,
   banks, infrastructure ... we made it SO easy
   for sake of convenience.
   Oh ... if they know what's in those 'secret'
   dox then it means they weren't even encrypted.
   What's up with that ? Oh, yea ... "trust your
   provider to thoroughly encrypt your data" ...
   I always pre-encrypted anything that was being
   stored "in the cloud". Never spent a single
   millisecond as plain text. Apparently yer govt
   and vital services can't be bothered ......
   Apologize for excess groups for Linux people,
   but the same warnings apply.

Of all the «Shit Hits The Fan scenarios» this is one of, if not the
short term most probable...
Chasseur

   Enemy govts work through "criminal" proxies for
   deniability reasons. Many of the proxies may not
   even know of the state connections, indeed the
   thrill of crime likely boosts their performance.
   What we see today is mostly just 'probing', experiments,
   looking for weaknesses, victims, new methods. This can do
   a lot of damage, but should things deteriorate to more
   real cyberwar the damages would be a thousand times worse.
   1st-world is 1st-world because everything is efficient,
   smoothly integrated at every scale. Alas that sort of
   of interdependency is fairly easy to sabotage. Going
   after just the banking systems would do it, or the
   energy or communications infrastructure. One vital
   brick crumbles and the whole empire tumbles down.
   And forget "we could fix it soon enough" ... some of
   these systems hold up SO much that there'd be nothing
   left worth fixing in a matter of weeks. The fuel
   runs out, the food runs out, the lights stay off,
   it goes Mad Max real quick.
   Ironically, 3rd/4th would would barely notice anything
   had happened. Afghan goatherds might notice fewer
   people coming around to annoy them.
   THAT the little hacks COULD get so deeply inside our
   supposedly "safe" systems just (again) demonstrates
   the level of vulnerability which exists.
   I doubt we will ever hear much about the actual methods
   and tactics involved - top secret stuff no doubt.

I concur.
And to agravate matters, a new dragon has or will soon enter the
cyberspace, namely artificial intelligence. Up until more or less
now, hacking has been personel intensive, probably in the thousands,
wether they are tethered to hostile govs or not. AI will in all
likelyhood change all of that. AI acts and learns. It will become
more and more efficient and quite forseeably, much less personel
dependent. Furthermore, it will be relentless, 24 hours a day, 365
days a year.
Just imagine a coordinated simultaneous AI controlled cyberspace
attack on utilities (water, gas, electricity, etc.) transport (our
computerized private and public vehicles), data (finance, medical,
gov and private administration, military, etc.). It is predictable
that such an attack would be more damaging than a powerful EMP event,
not to mention almost ridiculously inexpensive.
In my view, it is not a question of IF but a question of WHEN.
Considering the disruptive potential of such an AI attack, I am
pretty sure that the likes of Vlad, Xi, Kim and their groupies are
already on it. Caveat emptor.
Chasseur

Could it be that such releases are by our own government to ramp up
Patriotic fears and to encourage enlistments/war profiteering? Have
you noted how many military commanding officers have been canned and
yet reassigned? We may have to add our name to the list of our enemies.
We have several good examples right in this NG!

  I don't think this was fake because it mentioned too many
  big companies that got ripped off. M$ wants a sterling rep
  (undeserved, but it WANTS that illusion) so I don't think
  it'd go along with a convoluted scheme like you suggestI

I would bet otherwise. The history of many of these companies has always
made organized crime to be actual petty in comparison. Do you remember
the "The _____ of Silicon Valley"? Maybe you should trot your all
knowing self through Archives of alt2600. Tell us ignorant folks where
TOR was born? Also how many years AI has been operational.

  And these groups, state proxies or not - ARE out there and
  busy little beavers.

[68g.1502]

Post by Leper

Post by Leper

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-13029089/Notorious-Russia-gang-claims-stole-classified-secret-documents-intelligence-agencies-FBI-warns-China-hackers-preparing-wreak-havoc-America.html
Notorious Russia gang claims it stole 'classified and top
secret documents' from US intelligence agencies - as FBI
warns China hackers are preparing to 'wreak havoc' in America
Ransomware group ALPHV stole top-secret FBI and U.S.
intelligence documents
FBI director Christopher Wray warns PRC hackers will
take over America
. . .
   Yep - they can get EVERYTHING. "Secret" stuff,
   banks, infrastructure ... we made it SO easy
   for sake of convenience.
   Oh ... if they know what's in those 'secret'
   dox then it means they weren't even encrypted.
   What's up with that ? Oh, yea ... "trust your
   provider to thoroughly encrypt your data" ...
   I always pre-encrypted anything that was being
   stored "in the cloud". Never spent a single
   millisecond as plain text. Apparently yer govt
   and vital services can't be bothered ......
   Apologize for excess groups for Linux people,
   but the same warnings apply.

Of all the «Shit Hits The Fan scenarios» this is one of, if not
the short term most probable...
Chasseur

   Enemy govts work through "criminal" proxies for
   deniability reasons. Many of the proxies may not
   even know of the state connections, indeed the
   thrill of crime likely boosts their performance.
   What we see today is mostly just 'probing', experiments,
   looking for weaknesses, victims, new methods. This can do
   a lot of damage, but should things deteriorate to more
   real cyberwar the damages would be a thousand times worse.
   1st-world is 1st-world because everything is efficient,
   smoothly integrated at every scale. Alas that sort of
   of interdependency is fairly easy to sabotage. Going
   after just the banking systems would do it, or the
   energy or communications infrastructure. One vital
   brick crumbles and the whole empire tumbles down.
   And forget "we could fix it soon enough" ... some of
   these systems hold up SO much that there'd be nothing
   left worth fixing in a matter of weeks. The fuel
   runs out, the food runs out, the lights stay off,
   it goes Mad Max real quick.
   Ironically, 3rd/4th would would barely notice anything
   had happened. Afghan goatherds might notice fewer
   people coming around to annoy them.
   THAT the little hacks COULD get so deeply inside our
   supposedly "safe" systems just (again) demonstrates
   the level of vulnerability which exists.
   I doubt we will ever hear much about the actual methods
   and tactics involved - top secret stuff no doubt.

I concur.
And to agravate matters, a new dragon has or will soon enter the
cyberspace, namely artificial intelligence. Up until more or less
now, hacking has been personel intensive, probably in the thousands,
wether they are tethered to hostile govs or not. AI will in all
likelyhood change all of that. AI acts and learns. It will become
more and more efficient and quite forseeably, much less personel
dependent. Furthermore, it will be relentless, 24 hours a day, 365
days a year.
Just imagine a coordinated simultaneous AI controlled cyberspace
attack on utilities (water, gas, electricity, etc.) transport (our
computerized private and public vehicles), data (finance, medical,
gov and private administration, military, etc.). It is predictable
that such an attack would be more damaging than a powerful EMP
event, not to mention almost ridiculously inexpensive.
In my view, it is not a question of IF but a question of WHEN.
Considering the disruptive potential of such an AI attack, I am
pretty sure that the likes of Vlad, Xi, Kim and their groupies are
already on it. Caveat emptor.
Chasseur

Could it be that such releases are by our own government to ramp up
Patriotic fears and to encourage enlistments/war profiteering? Have
you noted how many military commanding officers have been canned and
yet reassigned? We may have to add our name to the list of our enemies.
We have several good examples right in this NG!

   I don't think this was fake because it mentioned too many
   big companies that got ripped off. M$ wants a sterling rep
   (undeserved, but it WANTS that illusion) so I don't think
   it'd go along with a convoluted scheme like you suggestI

I would bet otherwise. The history of many of these companies has always
made organized crime to be actual petty in comparison. Do you remember
the "The _____ of Silicon Valley"?  Maybe you should trot your all
knowing self through Archives of alt2600. Tell us ignorant folks where
TOR was born? Also how many years AI has been operational.

?Que?

Ya know, I've no idea how long TOR has been around. One
day it was just there.

"AI" has never been operational - NONE of them rate as
actually intelligent/sentient. They're getting to FAKE
it pretty good now however.

Never seen "alt2600".

Anyway, I don't think big corps would dare go along with
the kind of scheme you suggest because it's very BAD for
their reputations and reputations = $$$

DID find NSA backdoors in Win2k registry though ...

Post by Leper

   And these groups, state proxies or not - ARE out there and
   busy little beavers.

[Governor Swill]

Post by Leper

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-13029089/Notorious-Russia-gang-claims-stole-classified-secret-documents-intelligence-agencies-FBI-warns-China-hackers-preparing-wreak-havoc-America.html
Notorious Russia gang claims it stole 'classified and top
secret documents' from US intelligence agencies - as FBI
warns China hackers are preparing to 'wreak havoc' in America
Ransomware group ALPHV stole top-secret FBI and U.S.
intelligence documents
FBI director Christopher Wray warns PRC hackers will
take over America
. . .
   Yep - they can get EVERYTHING. "Secret" stuff,
   banks, infrastructure ... we made it SO easy
   for sake of convenience.
   Oh ... if they know what's in those 'secret'
   dox then it means they weren't even encrypted.
   What's up with that ? Oh, yea ... "trust your
   provider to thoroughly encrypt your data" ...
   I always pre-encrypted anything that was being
   stored "in the cloud". Never spent a single
   millisecond as plain text. Apparently yer govt
   and vital services can't be bothered ......
   Apologize for excess groups for Linux people,
   but the same warnings apply.

Of all the «Shit Hits The Fan scenarios» this is one of, if not the
short term most probable...
Chasseur

   Enemy govts work through "criminal" proxies for
   deniability reasons. Many of the proxies may not
   even know of the state connections, indeed the
   thrill of crime likely boosts their performance.
   What we see today is mostly just 'probing', experiments,
   looking for weaknesses, victims, new methods. This can do
   a lot of damage, but should things deteriorate to more
   real cyberwar the damages would be a thousand times worse.
   1st-world is 1st-world because everything is efficient,
   smoothly integrated at every scale. Alas that sort of
   of interdependency is fairly easy to sabotage. Going
   after just the banking systems would do it, or the
   energy or communications infrastructure. One vital
   brick crumbles and the whole empire tumbles down.
   And forget "we could fix it soon enough" ... some of
   these systems hold up SO much that there'd be nothing
   left worth fixing in a matter of weeks. The fuel
   runs out, the food runs out, the lights stay off,
   it goes Mad Max real quick.
   Ironically, 3rd/4th would would barely notice anything
   had happened. Afghan goatherds might notice fewer
   people coming around to annoy them.
   THAT the little hacks COULD get so deeply inside our
   supposedly "safe" systems just (again) demonstrates
   the level of vulnerability which exists.
   I doubt we will ever hear much about the actual methods
   and tactics involved - top secret stuff no doubt.

I concur.
And to agravate matters, a new dragon has or will soon enter the
cyberspace, namely artificial intelligence. Up until more or less
now, hacking has been personel intensive, probably in the thousands,
wether they are tethered to hostile govs or not. AI will in all
likelyhood change all of that. AI acts and learns. It will become
more and more efficient and quite forseeably, much less personel
dependent. Furthermore, it will be relentless, 24 hours a day, 365
days a year.
Just imagine a coordinated simultaneous AI controlled cyberspace
attack on utilities (water, gas, electricity, etc.) transport (our
computerized private and public vehicles), data (finance, medical,
gov and private administration, military, etc.). It is predictable
that such an attack would be more damaging than a powerful EMP event,
not to mention almost ridiculously inexpensive.
In my view, it is not a question of IF but a question of WHEN.
Considering the disruptive potential of such an AI attack, I am
pretty sure that the likes of Vlad, Xi, Kim and their groupies are
already on it. Caveat emptor.
Chasseur

Could it be that such releases are by our own government to ramp up
Patriotic fears and to encourage enlistments/war profiteering? Have
you noted how many military commanding officers have been canned and
yet reassigned? We may have to add our name to the list of our enemies.
We have several good examples right in this NG!

No. American students can't even read or do math. AI builds on the
intelligent information fed into it. As a consequence our own government
AI will be fucking stupid. Garbage in, garbage out. LOL







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